Re: Re: The divide
By: paulie420 to Brokenmind on Tue Feb 18 2025 05:33 pm

I guess what I meant to say is that while I support Trump currently, I still > advocate for womens complete and full rights to an abortion if they choose. > don't care what we call it, so I'll just goto the extreme - I think if a wom > wants to kill her fetus she should have the right to, period.

"That's not a problem, and I completely understand your perspective. As a Christian, I personally believe that all life is precious, and based on the Word of God, I don't support abortion. But that's just my belief, a
don't think it's my place to push my faith onto others. How I vote is a personal decision for me. If someone asks me why I don't believe in abo
I'm happy to share my reasoning and refer them to Scripture. Ultimately
role is to love others without compromising my beliefs, and I strive to treat everyone with respect, even if they don't share my views. I never look down on anyone, because I know I'm no better than anyone else. I can't boast about how much I love God; I can only boast about His love. I'm especially grat
because I was adopted, and I'm so thankful my mom chose life for me

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"That's not a problem, and I completely understand your perspective. As a Christian, I personally believe that all life is precious, and based on the Word of God, I don't support abortion.

So I actually [almost] agree with you. *I* am a Christian, and I believe life is precious. If a partner of mine gets pregnant we would be having a baby - unless she chose another route, which wouldn't happen because I make sure before getting there.

But I do think women should have the ultimate choice, even over my values and morals.



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Re: Re: The divide
By: paulie420 to brokenmind on Thu Feb 20 2025 07:23 pm

But I do think women should have the ultimate choice, even over my values and morals.

I think the issue is that they are trying to portray the subject as a women rights issue while society makes it not a women rights issue.

I don't know over there, but around here if you get a woman pregnant and then don't want to deal with the baby you get both a whole lot of social backslash, not to mention legal consequences. It is not like the baby is a female issue. If it was socially and legally acceptable to dump a pregnant woman then I would be closer to agree it is a woman rights issue.

The moral angle of the matter is pretty much non solvable right now because pro-abortion groups argue that an unborn child is not an entity with human qualities enough to warrant rights. Meanwhile anti-abortion groups think abortion is about the same as stabbing a baby. I am personally close to the idea that unborn children aren't entities with full rights but then I am aware you cannot tell people this is a subject they must keep their noses away from. Imagine if murdering homeless people was in the political plan of some group and that group told you to stay away from the issue because it is none of your business. For anti-abortists, that is the situation when they are told they cannot interfere when a mother murders their unborn baby.

That said, babies usually grow into becoming motherfuckers, so I say let the abortion spree begin.


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But I do think women should have the ultimate choice, even over my valu and morals.

I don't know over there, but around here if you get a woman pregnant and then don't want to deal with the baby you get both a whole lot of social backslash, not to mention legal consequences.

The moral angle of the matter is pretty much non solvable right now because pro-abortion groups argue that an unborn child is not an entity with human qualities enough to warrant rights.

That said, babies usually grow into becoming motherfuckers, so I say let the abortion spree begin.

Same over here; it is socially unacceptable to leave a woman to fend for herself during a pregnancy - not that it doesn't happen often, but of course its looked down upon.

The morality; thats why I always goto the extreme and say, I don't care what you call it - if I have to support a woman KILLING her unborn child, then fine... I don't think thats what it IS, but if it is I support her choice over all.

If I had to write the rules, I'd say 1st trimester abortions should be available to any woman who wants one - and some very limited options for health of baby/mom after...

On thing is that the man has no choice. If the woman chooses to have a baby, he can't force an abortion and if the woman chooses abortion, he can't force her to birth his child... hopefully if you've gotten a woman pregnant, you will have those choices, but its ultimately the womans...

All this to say again; I support a womans right to abortions, and I do fall a bit on the right for other matters - and I can compromise and change my mind when a differing opinion wins me over.



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Re: Re: The divide
By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Mar 02 2025 05:55 pm

On thing is that the man has no choice. If the woman chooses to have a baby,

Well, this is what I was talking about.

The moment you have a sociolegal structure that can force you to pass a sustainment pension to a kid you didn't give birth to, that baby is your problem, therefore abortion matters in their current form are NOT a woman rights issue.

And furthermore, as long as a sociolegal structure exists so that control over something you are held responsible for (ie. the baby) is granted to a third party (ie. the woman), then the smart play is not to play such a fixed game, at all.

This issue gets compounded because nowadays there is this tendency for governments to take over education. So if you get laid with a gal you have a non trivial risk of having a child you will be paying for but who will be educated and controlled what the government and in the case of any marriage disagreement you will lose any control off.

Then they wonder why natality is going down the drain.

I guess the obvious answer is "Well, Arelor, then do us a favor and don't reproduce" at which point I will just say the people reproducing nowadays are the sort of people who aren't going to pay your pensions or improve the society in the least. So good luck defending the status quo.


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I guess the obvious answer is "Well, Arelor, then do us a favor and don't reproduce" at which point I will just say the people reproducing
nowadays are the sort of people who aren't going to pay your pensions or improve the society in the least. So good luck defending the status quo.

Yea - you just stop f00king. Theres the answer.



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Re: Re: The divide
By: paulie420 to Arelor on Mon Mar 03 2025 09:55 pm

Yea - you just stop f00king. Theres the answer.

Ceasing to perform biological functions works for me because I don't give a damn. I don't think it will be sustainable for a big number of people in the long run, though.


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